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Drew Brown's avatar

Ian, thanks for writing this! I feel that tension between third wave and fourth wave acutely. Much of my journey of incorporating fourth wave thought comes from Eugene Peterson; I especially like his distinction of "Spiritual Theology" in "Christ Plays in Ten Thousand Places." He writes in the introduction: "'Spiritual' keeps 'theology' from degenerating into merely thinking and talking and writing about God at a distance. 'Theology' keeps 'spiritual' from becoming merely thinking and talking and writing about the feelings and thoughts one has about God."

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Very well said regarding the ditches of the fourth Wave. One way to think of it: Though each wave has added something good, the waves also have a built-in temptation to swing the pendulum from what I call "religion of heaven" (gnostic) to "religion of earth" (pagan) and then back again--from the temptation toward disembodiment to the temptation toward over-embodiment and vice versa. Whereas Christianity is always the marriage of heaven and earth.

Wave 1: Spirit-Filled Worship - great worship but tempts toward disembodied spiritual formation

Wave 2: Seeker Sensitive Church Growth - re-embodies the church in the act of evangelism but is tempted to forget the place of the mind, especially when it comes to guarding key doctrines

Wave 3: Gospel Centrality - reclaims the core doctrines of the church, but perhaps with the temptation of forgetting the centrality of embodied obedience to Christ.

Wave 4: Spiritual Formation - re-embodies obedience to Christ, though perhaps at the expense of... etc.

I think some of this zig-zag is going on. But I also think there's another way to read the above "waves" in which EACH of Wave 1, 2, & 3 had a mostly--and increasingly--disembodying effect on our evangelical churches (especially since they all occurred in the growing age of the internet). So, in that sense, the movement of which Comer is an advocate and spokesperson is essentially new and probably very necessary right now.

But I still grant your pitfalls. For myself, I tend to think we Evangelicals are coming to the end of a "Joseph Movement" (where partnership with Egypt was fruitful and blessed) and coming to the beginning of a "Moses Movement" (where partnership with Egypt, especially the new online Egpyt, has made us all slaves). And, of course, this means we're headed into a bit of wilderness first. But yeah, that's my take.

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