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Amanda Held Opelt's avatar

Fascinating piece, and something I'm observing in real time here in Boone.

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Federico's avatar

I loved your piece! I found myself nodding in approval and delight—until I got to that final section.

Two quick "frown moments" for me here. First, this: "This is why some people talk about 'leaving the church to find Jesus' even though that's categorically impossible." I would think that's categorically impossible if we understand "church" as the community of believers. But is it "categorically impossible" for someone to have faith in Jesus without a "local church"? Consider a missionary who goes to a wholly Muslim island in Indonesia or to an Embera community on the Pacific coast of Colombia, where a single person decides to convert. That person, taking on enormous social and communal risk, has no local church to attend. Is it categorically impossible for her to find Jesus witout a church? Or think of someone who leaves the Catholic Church in a Latin American town because she found (a different understanding of) Jesus and has no Evangelical church to attend. Categorically impossible again? I'd love to hear your thoughts on these scenarios.

And the second "frown moment": "the people who left the church to join the culture." Is the implication that there are just two possible scenarios: church vs. culture? What about those who leave their church to join the Bruderhof or to live a semi-monastic life focused on Bible study and community service? These people aren't leaving the church to embrace "the" culture—they're taking another path entirely.

Thanks again for a wonderful piece!

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